AeroMéxico - Flota Boeing 737, 777, 787

#2
jajajaja Dios te oiga.

Hasta donde se, ni siquiera se sabe si en 2010 ya pueda hacer su vuelo de prueba el 787.

Al parecer hay una falla muy grave en algo asi como las uniones del ala al fuselaje.

Y lo ultimo que supe a traves de la Boeing, es que de plano han regresado al pizarron de diseño (o como se llame) para rediseñar esa parte que tanto les esta dando lata.

Yo calculo que veremos los 787 de AMX por ahi del 2014

Saludos
 
#4
si ojala y pronto puedan arregar esas fallas, pero si al parecer si se tardara unos anitos mas,, esperemos qe Aeromexico no se desespere y cancele sus pedidos,,

Esperemos para el 2014 este listo,,

Saludos
 
#5
No se ha aclarado donde queda Aeromexico en elnuevo calendario de entregas de Boeing.

Flightblogger Flight International reportaron que Boeing no ha terminado de instalar el parche para solucionar el problema del ala y que, ademas, tuvieron que volver a empezar a diseniar el parche para una zona en particular (son 16 stringers que requieren parche y este redisenio afecta a 3 o 4 de ellos).

Si es muy posible que el 787 no vuele en 2009, mas dificil es que AM reciba el avion de acuerdo a lo originalmente planeado.
 
#7
gracias por los datos, amigos ustedes creen que si aeromexico cancela o retrasa la compra de los 787 rente o compre alguno de airbus?? un 330 o un 340?? algo parecido esta haciendo LAN chile no?
 
#9
Realmente Aeromexico esta siendo parcialmente beneficiado por el retraso de Boeing. Lo que no recuerdo es si AM los compro o los alquilo.

Si AM compro los aviones: Si el avion no se lo entregan a tiempo, AM puede recibir una compensacion en efectivo de Boeing (pero estaria comprometiendose a recibir el avion cuando este listo). Por un lado, eso significa que AM no debe realizar los pagos finales del avion, lo cual elimina ciertas presiones de sus flujos de efectivo. Por otro lado, si la turbosina sube de precio y se mantiene en niveles altos, llega un momento donde ese extra que queman los aviones que serian reemplazados por el 787 es mas caro que lo que AM no paga a Boeing por recibir el avion.

Si AM rento los aviones AM no estaria pagando el leasing de los aviones nuevos, lo cual es un ahorro comparado con el leasing que paga ahora por equipos mas viejos. Sin embargo, el consumo extra de turbosina puede eliminar esos ahorros.

Ahora, dudo muchisimmo que AM cancele esos aviones. Simplemente un Airbus es muy caro porque implicaria costos de adiestramiento a tripulaciones y mecanicos. Ademas, implicaria costos de arrendamiento altos (ahora mismo los costos del leasing de un A330 estan altos). Si fueran por equipos Boeing, dudo que lo hagan por un 767: un 767 relativamente nuevo sigue siendo mas tragon de combustible de lo que AM quisiera. Ademas, un 777 les quedaria muy grande para las condiciones actuales del mercado (a lo mejor pudieran meter solo un 777 para apoyar a la flota existente y para incrementar la oferta existente a Paris).
 

MayerFM

Well-Known Member
#10
Realmente Aeromexico esta siendo parcialmente beneficiado por el retraso de Boeing. Lo que no recuerdo es si AM los compro o los alquilo.
Las dos cosas Jorge:

1) Aeroméxico ordenó 2 787 directamente a Boeing en noviembre de 2006:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061114d_nr.html


2) Aeroméxico alquilará 3 787 por medio de la arrendadora ILFC como se anunció en junio de 2006:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060629c_nr.html

Así es que Aeroméxico tomó de las dos opciones.
 

Edgar Castro

Super Moderator
#11
Hoy he leído en la revista Expansión, que hay una empresa de GDL de programación de sistemas de informática que están programando sistemas para Airbus y para el Boeing 787.... algunos egresados del ITESO... en un cluster de computación que existe ahí en GDL... alguien sabe más al respecto?

Al respecto me he encoontrado esta nota:

http://portal.iteso.mx/portal/page/...rensa/Noticias/DetalleNoticia?p_noticia=41736
Yo soy egresado de Ingenieria en Sistemas computacionales del ITESO y aplique para trabajar ahí poquito antes de salir de la carrera y me aceptaron, la verdad estaba muy interesante todo lo que desarrollaban y me interesó mucho el proyecto, yo estaría en un área que desarrollan y prueban software para las computadoras de vuelo (tipo FMC y MCDU).

Nunca trabajé de hecho ahí, pues se dio la oportunidad de venirme a estudiar aviación a San Antonio, pero si me da mucho gusto que en México cada día haya mas empresas que apoyen en la aeronautica.
 
#12
Si los costos son caros, aparte no me imagino a aeromexico volando un a330 o un a340, podrian traer tambien un o dos md-11 aunque ya som obsoletos pero para mientras llegan los 787
 

Dream Liner

Well-Known Member
#13
Hay escepticismo pero Boeing reitera que el B787 volará este año.


Boeing posted a larger-than-expected quarterly loss on costs related to its long-delayed 787 Dreamliner program this week‚ but reaffirmed that the aircraft is on track to fly this year. The loss‚ combined with a lowered 2009 earnings outlook‚ sent shares down in early trading‚ although most of the details in the earnings statement had been previously publicized. Said Alex Hamilton‚ senior managing director at Jesup & Lamont: "The surprise was they reiterated the (787) schedule . . . I think there's a lot of skepticism growing on the street about their delivery schedule." Boeing posted a loss of $1.56 billion‚ or $2.23 a share‚ on $16.7 billion in revenue‚ compared with a year-earlier profit of $695 million‚ or 96 cents a share. A survey of analysts by Thomson Reuters predicted a $2.12 loss on $17.18 billion in revenue.
 
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Alberto Camacho Sarabia

Guest
#15
he leído y oído en muchos lugares ya que como es un rumor que no se si sea cierto, que Andrés Conesa quiere cancelar la compra o renta de éstos aviones :??
 
#16
Pregunta para los enterados y expertos en Aeroméxico....

La empresa yá había pagado el "slot" de compra y había ingresado la carta bancaria de compromiso de compra para los equipos 787?

...o sólo fué un ardid publicitario?
 
#18
Si condesa cancela la compra y renta de lo 787 entonces creo que estan pensando seriamente en airbus como opcion tal vez en los a340 y a350, a ver si alguien del foro nos puede confirmar esto o solo es rumor y si seria padre ir al mac puente a ver los 787 por cierto espero pronto comprar mi multifuncional para subir fotos que sacaba de adolencente para los nostalgicos de los md o del dc 10 desde este famoso puente ya que vivo a 2 minutos de ahi jejeje
 
#19
AeroMéxico - Flota 737, 777

Aeromexico seeks to expand 737, 767 and 777 fleets
By Brendan Sobie

Grupo Aeromexico is looking at acquiring several additional aircraft and using its charter subsidiary to operate scheduled routes as part of an effort to fill the void left by grounded archrival Grupo Mexicana.

Aeromexico's pilots union, ASPA, says the carrier earlier this week proposed expanding its fleet of Boeing 737s, 767s and 777s in exchange for concessions. An ASPA spokesman says it rejected the proposal because the concessions, which included working longer hours for the same salary and authorising expansion at charter unit Aeromexico Travel, were unreasonable. But he says ASPA continues to talk to Aeromexico and is interested in forging a new agreement and expanding the carrier's fleet.

An Aeromexico spokesman declined to comment on the proposal.

ASPA says Aeromexico currently operates a mainline fleet of 43 aircraft consisting of four 767s, four 777s and 35 737-700/800s. The ASPA spokesman says the carrier is interested in adding at least four to six 737s, two to three 767s and one 777.

The additional 767s and 777s could be used to add capacity on Aeromexico's Madrid, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo routes, all of which were also served by Mexicana. Grupo Mexicana suspended all operations on 28 August. Although Mexicana may be re-launched later this year it is unlikely Mexicana's long-haul operation, which used 767s and Airbus A330s, will resume in the foreseeable future.

The additional 737-700/800s could be used domestically and to expand Aeromexico's Latin American network, which the carrier has been focussing on in recent months. Aeromexico is currently unable to add capacity on US routes, where Mexicana had a very large presence, because Mexico currently falls under category 2 of the FAA's international aviation safety assessment programme.

Aeromexico is also interested in adding several used or new 737-700/800s for Aeromexico Travel, which currently operates three Boeing MD-80s. Grupo Aeromexico told ASPA this week it would like to start using Aeromexico Travel in the scheduled domestic market, a market with significant expansion opportunities given Grupo Mexicana's 29% share is now up for grabs. But the spokesman says the union, which objected to the launch of Aeromexico Travel in 2008, is vehemently against the idea of using the lower-cost Travel unit on scheduled routes and prefers mainline domestic expansion to fill the void left by Mexicana.

"Travel started as a charter company and now they want to make that low-cost scheduled with MD-80s and 737s," he says. "We don't want this."

The ASPA spokesman says Aeromexico pilots are willing "to make some concessions" but are not willing to reduce their salaries or overtime pay. He says Aeromexico is now proposing pilots work more hours without earning overtime.

Aeromexico pilots are now paid an hourly rate and receive a higher hourly rate for overtime, which kicks in after 75 hours per month. The current contract, which expires in October 2011, allows pilots to work up to 85 hours, including 10 hours of overtime, although Mexican regulations allow pilots to work up to 90 hours per month.

The spokesman explains Aeromexico would like pilots to work 85 or 90 hours but at the same pay they now receive for 75 hours. He says the union will consider raising the contracted maximum to 90 hours but only if pilots are paid overtime for over 75 hours.

Aeromexico pilots have not been working any overtime in recent months due to capacity cuts that were implemented last year, but that is about to change as the carrier this week started adding flights by increasing aircraft utilisation. The ASPA spokesman says last year's capacity cuts also forced 26 pilots to be demoted from mainline to the Aeromexico Connect subsidiary. Currently there are 830 pilots at mainline and 454 pilots at Connect.

Aeromexico in recent years has been steadily shrinking its mainline fleet and growing Connect, which it sees as a more economical platform for domestic flying. Through the first six months of this year, Aeromexico Connect carried 2.1 million domestic passengers while Aeromexico mainline carried 1.7 million passengers.

On international routes, Aeromexico mainline carried 900,000 passengers and Connect carried 100,000. Aeromexico Travel carried 41,000 international passengers and 16,000 domestic passengers on non-scheduled routes during the first half of 2010.

The ASPA spokesman says Aeromexico's current pilot contract, which was forged in 2008, specifies a minimum of 60 aircraft. ASPA has challenged Aeromexico's failure to meet this requirement after removing 17 aircraft in 2008 and 2009, leaving it with a mainline fleet of only 43 aircraft. ASPA hopes the mainline fleet can now be expanded back to at least the 60 aircraft figure.

Grupo Aeromexico CEO Andres Conesa told Flightglobal in June that the group would not grow its mainline fleet unless the mainline pilots agreed to lower their costs. He said the 737-700s Aeromexico has on outstanding order - the first of which is currently not slated to be delivered until late 2011 - would likely be used to replace the MD-80s at Aeromexico Travel. He said the 737s on order would only go to mainline "if we can get better conditions from the pilot's union".

Conesa also said at the time that Aeromexico was looking at expanding the Embraer E-190 fleet at Connect beyond its current commitment for 16 aircraft. Connect currently operates seven E-190s and 38 Embraer ERJ-145s, according to Flightglobal's ACAS database.
 
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#20
Aqui podemos ver la vision cortoplazista de los sindicatos. No piensan en le largo plazo, desafortunadamente. No piesan que ceder un poco en le presente les puede evitar ceder todo en el futuro.
 
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